Jessica my dear, That. Was. A. Badass reply. I wish you had written this months ago as I would have PLAGIARIZED the near entirety to defend my self during my TWO "retractions" ( i have one more than you , I have one more than you, nah nah nah nah nah - love ya my sister in arms (or pens as it were).
thanks Pierre! love you too! you were SAVAGELY awesome at the march and ron's hearing and I could cry about not being there with you guys. one day i will be! and don't worry, i'm sure that i'll have another retraction soon :) nah nah
Might I suggest you guys finish these letters with something like "You state your intent to publish that our paper "could promote misinformation about vaccines” and, further, that “the findings ... are demonstrably wrong, because the methodology is flawed.”
Since you are now on explicit notice that both of these assertions are “demonstrably” false, publishing either of them would also be "demonstrably" negligent and malicious.
I therefore recommend you & your publisher confer with counsel regarding liability for defamation before doing so."
We need new and independent journals. Your fight over these articles hopefully bring them more attention than they would have received otherwise. At least you got yours peer reviewed, accepted, then "removed." So many other well written papers with important findings were desk rejected or rejected without even being read past the title. Journal editors declined claiming they were just too radioactive. This is corrupt, and such a tragedy and loss for the public. I had this experience while trying to help Dr. David Scheim and his colleagues polish the manuscript on the Peru experience with Ivermectin in early days to get it out in publication in time to make a difference. A consolation was that Dr. Kory mentioned those Peru data in the context of discussing ivermectin in other countries when making his other presentation at the recent hearing which many did get to hear--grateful for that. We need to collect all these stories.
The world, in my personal opinion, needs a LOT more raving lunatics. We are all way too grown-up. We need people to be throwing 2-year-old uncontrollable tantrums and not stopping until they get their way. Just sayinig.
This makes me feel better about my melt down in the subway on Sunday telling people to take off their freaking masks. I wasn't feeling well, was sleep deprived, and just couldn't take the zombies any more. Oddly enough, they didn't even seem to think I was crazy, just stared blankly at me with the dazed, empty eyes one sees peering over the masks. Needless to say, not one of them took off their masks.
Good on you! Keep speaking out. Somewhere in the back of those sleeping people's minds, you must have woken something - not straight away, but at least made them aware that something is wrong. :-)
Sending prayers your way: for continued inspiration, continued strength, and for peace. I appreciate you and your commitment to (real) science, data and truth. You ROCK!
Again Jessica I hear your heart as well as your science, and thank God for that, cos heartless science is not science in my view, its sociopathic, ego driven, disconnected and eventually, destructive. Because it is my belief, that anything done lovelessly creates lovelessness, although the caveat to that is that the cold ignorance displayed by this and thousands of other journalists, inspires many of us to fight with love and care on our breastplate and the tips of our swords. As always, we are with you
At a certain point, all of you mavericks out there need to stop caring what the "mainstream" are saying/doing, etc.. Call them for what they are: ignorant, paid propagandists for the pharmaceutical industry, which has hijacked the medical industry. Call her that.
The other very important benefit of such a well-articulated response (as much of a pain and time-consuming as it is) is to give the laypeople as myself substantive information to gain a better understanding of what is happening and how it is happening. I know this is happening, but the example of an instance gives me details and colour for how it is actually being carried out. I appreciate you publishing your reply. What I would add, however, is that the gesture of not disclosing her details provides her cover to continue to do to others what she is doing to you and your co-authors. Easy for me to say, but I would disclose every single detail of hers, the way Senator Johnson and others disclosed details of people in the hearing the other day, and Dr. Malone disclosed details of another one of these puppets in his recent piece.
You make a very good point, @GT_Astroboy. Dr Brian Martin, Emeritus professor at the University of Wollongong, has written very widely on this topic in his many articles on the attacks by those in power on those who dissent. His advice has always been to expose them. Don’t allow them to hide their attacks. Always take the high moral ground (which is easy since so many of them are incredibly low) but show them for who and what they are.
Substack could be an area to collect and organize these stories along with the orphan manuscripts, maybe they could all be published in some alternative space in a collection.
Agree completely. Let's start referring to them as PPP (Paid Pharma Progagandists) and strike "mainstream" or "elite" from the vocabulary. It will piss them off and make you feel better when you have to spend your valuable time circling back to a 5 year old.
Thank You for beeing there, for Heeding Your Call to bee among the FrontLiners, and for doing so Professionally, with Love, Truth and Wisdom, and the Ability to Ward Off those that are Still Sleepin!
For Those of Us still with the Ability to Utilize Critical Thinking, You are a True Beacon of Hope.
T'is Unfortunate that You have to Deal with the AssHoles; this ill-Funded Journalist, Neil Young and Many others, taking time away from Your Research.
T'is Interesting how Life pulls us in different directions, ifins We're Payin Attention & You Must Know that the Vast Majority of Us are beeing Enlightened with Your nearly Daily Posts; Yours and RFK's Sites serve as my Briefing beefore starting my day!
I find it Invigorating that Yourself & the Other FrontLiners have Temporarily Cast Aside Personal Interests to Carry the Torch in the Fight For Freedom, (FFF).
The Empires are Starting to Crumble.
May You Soon Return to the Waves, with a Clear Conscious of Doing All That You can Do!
Jessica did that, albeit very nicely. Her hope was to impact the "paid propagandist's" conscience and avert/ameliorate a nasty "hit piece" that is doubtless, ready to publish. Jessica doesn't care what the mainstream is saying, per se. What she cares about is that what the mainstream is saying is not THE TRUTH.
Yes, she did and she was very professional about it. I would counter than even referring to them as "mainstream" is simply playing their game. To be clear, they are not "meanstream" in any way. They are radical, anti-science, paid propagandists for the pharmaceutical companies. No one watches or reads the "mainstream" media any longer, so they have no claim on being called "mainstream" any longer. Let's call them for what they are and banish the words "mainstream" and "elite" when describing low IQ grifters who are trying to kill people through acts of commission & omission.
Ugh....I get anxiety and outrage just from reading what these corrupt, incompetent "journalists" have done and continue to do to you and your peers. The desperate, angry intent comes across loud and clear in "Dr. Evil's" email to you and it really is super sad that supposedly intelligent people are falling victim to this kind of unethical, immoral behavior - and it's everywhere these days. And, not for nothing - you'd think Dr. Evil - as a PhD whatever...herself, would be personally offended and incensed that your paper was pulled with no explanation - regardless of the content! If she could only imagine it happening to her. Both your interpretation and response was perfect, Jessica - in fact, I applaud your restraint! Listen - call me old fashioned and I'll probably date myself here but my Mother had a motto that she *drilled* into my head when I was growing up "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Of course, it's not actually my Mom's motto ...... comes from a much higher power... but one she wanted me to learn and live by. I think it has served me well to always consider this and it's aged well too because as I got older, had kids and got some patience - I got better at pausing before reacting and really trying to put myself in the other person's shoes. That's not to say she wouldn't have wanted me to defend myself from attacks but to take a pause, not jump to conclusions. This is almost a text book example - you paused, considered what Dr. Evil had to say, disagreed but at the same time, both defended yourself appropriately and gave her a chance. My Mom would be proud of you!!
She’s not a journalist. She’s a paid propagandist from the university of Pfizer. Have you been following the kerfuffle re: Gandhi (Stanford) & Berenson?
You wrote a perfect response. You answered ridicule and derision and disingenuousness, with facts, with calm, with honesty, with integrity, with superior knowledge of your subject matter. Bravo, Jessica! Your restraint was a marvel. I feel very angry towards these people. They are harming humanity in ways big and small. Small people they are. You are a giant among truth tellers and ethical scientists. Thank you!
That is good you can feel compassion and sorrow for them. I just cannot. They’ve lied, cheated, stolen, and murdered people with their obfuscations and denial of proper care.
You are a great source of inspiration but also so very entertaining. I sat through a 3 hour webinar of yours recently and was transfixed. Sincerest respect from a fellow gal in Ontario, well versed in Functional Medicine and Chiropractic. Thank you for your research, published or not. I'm a big fan; I read you every day.
Never speak to the media. They are not interested in the truth, or your side of the story. They are only interested in destroying your credibility because you are a heretic and have questioned their narrative. No, it will not be different with you. Ignore all their emails and phone calls. Their story is already written. Here are the top 5 ways of dealing with the media:
i don't care what they write about me. i am not affected by it. the truth stands on its own. tall and unwavering. they will always lose because of this.
It is important to post at least a brief and professional reply so that they cannot say "we contacted the author but did not receive a response" as we see in so many other journalists' stories about malfeasance of corporations and other newsmakers.
Wonderful eloquence and surgically precise.!! Thank you Jessica! I am sorry you have to deal Big Pharma flacks. Keep on Truckin' ! Your work is Very Important!
I'm a reporter for [Dr. Evil]. I'm writing an investigation about academic articles that could be used to promote misinformation about vaccines that have been published by peer-reviewed journals, which critics say shows serious flaws in the system of peer review."
What a strangely worded sentence. I guess I would have asked her to name the" critics" and provide an example of what they say about peer review and its serious flaws so you can determine the validity of claims. Just out of the blue and maybe not related directly is the letter signed by umm, 17 scientists to...was it... Lancet or JAAMA (?) where they claimed a lab did not create covid after it was speculated earlier that yes, it was a lab creation. Those 17 were pressured to change the narrative.
Since I know you surf, but I can't post a picture. I have a sticker at my office desk it says "screw it, go surf". Join me in Cabo when this is over and let's have a laugh at what we survived. You are doing the right work at a time when we all needed you, don't ever forget that, there will always be these lame people we are just seeing more of them over the last 24 months.
Excellent response, Jessica. You got right to the heart of it, showing your insightful logic, and ability to stick to facts. And you got in a good punch or two. Brava!
Jessica my dear, That. Was. A. Badass reply. I wish you had written this months ago as I would have PLAGIARIZED the near entirety to defend my self during my TWO "retractions" ( i have one more than you , I have one more than you, nah nah nah nah nah - love ya my sister in arms (or pens as it were).
thanks Pierre! love you too! you were SAVAGELY awesome at the march and ron's hearing and I could cry about not being there with you guys. one day i will be! and don't worry, i'm sure that i'll have another retraction soon :) nah nah
Might I suggest you guys finish these letters with something like "You state your intent to publish that our paper "could promote misinformation about vaccines” and, further, that “the findings ... are demonstrably wrong, because the methodology is flawed.”
Since you are now on explicit notice that both of these assertions are “demonstrably” false, publishing either of them would also be "demonstrably" negligent and malicious.
I therefore recommend you & your publisher confer with counsel regarding liability for defamation before doing so."
i don't think they care that they are defaming researchers
to quote a wise modern philosopher: "“Everybody has plans until they get hit for the first time." ;-)
"Everyone has plans until they are punched in the nose" Mike Tyson.
Perfect reference! Good on yr. sarcasm too!
We need new and independent journals. Your fight over these articles hopefully bring them more attention than they would have received otherwise. At least you got yours peer reviewed, accepted, then "removed." So many other well written papers with important findings were desk rejected or rejected without even being read past the title. Journal editors declined claiming they were just too radioactive. This is corrupt, and such a tragedy and loss for the public. I had this experience while trying to help Dr. David Scheim and his colleagues polish the manuscript on the Peru experience with Ivermectin in early days to get it out in publication in time to make a difference. A consolation was that Dr. Kory mentioned those Peru data in the context of discussing ivermectin in other countries when making his other presentation at the recent hearing which many did get to hear--grateful for that. We need to collect all these stories.
Definitely A Badass Reply. My reply would have been more that of a raving lunatic.
The world, in my personal opinion, needs a LOT more raving lunatics. We are all way too grown-up. We need people to be throwing 2-year-old uncontrollable tantrums and not stopping until they get their way. Just sayinig.
This makes me feel better about my melt down in the subway on Sunday telling people to take off their freaking masks. I wasn't feeling well, was sleep deprived, and just couldn't take the zombies any more. Oddly enough, they didn't even seem to think I was crazy, just stared blankly at me with the dazed, empty eyes one sees peering over the masks. Needless to say, not one of them took off their masks.
Good on you! Keep speaking out. Somewhere in the back of those sleeping people's minds, you must have woken something - not straight away, but at least made them aware that something is wrong. :-)
Sending prayers your way: for continued inspiration, continued strength, and for peace. I appreciate you and your commitment to (real) science, data and truth. You ROCK!
Again Jessica I hear your heart as well as your science, and thank God for that, cos heartless science is not science in my view, its sociopathic, ego driven, disconnected and eventually, destructive. Because it is my belief, that anything done lovelessly creates lovelessness, although the caveat to that is that the cold ignorance displayed by this and thousands of other journalists, inspires many of us to fight with love and care on our breastplate and the tips of our swords. As always, we are with you
At a certain point, all of you mavericks out there need to stop caring what the "mainstream" are saying/doing, etc.. Call them for what they are: ignorant, paid propagandists for the pharmaceutical industry, which has hijacked the medical industry. Call her that.
but it's very important for us to acknowledge it and put things right. it's very annoying that we have to spend our time and energy on that.
The other very important benefit of such a well-articulated response (as much of a pain and time-consuming as it is) is to give the laypeople as myself substantive information to gain a better understanding of what is happening and how it is happening. I know this is happening, but the example of an instance gives me details and colour for how it is actually being carried out. I appreciate you publishing your reply. What I would add, however, is that the gesture of not disclosing her details provides her cover to continue to do to others what she is doing to you and your co-authors. Easy for me to say, but I would disclose every single detail of hers, the way Senator Johnson and others disclosed details of people in the hearing the other day, and Dr. Malone disclosed details of another one of these puppets in his recent piece.
You make a very good point, @GT_Astroboy. Dr Brian Martin, Emeritus professor at the University of Wollongong, has written very widely on this topic in his many articles on the attacks by those in power on those who dissent. His advice has always been to expose them. Don’t allow them to hide their attacks. Always take the high moral ground (which is easy since so many of them are incredibly low) but show them for who and what they are.
Substack could be an area to collect and organize these stories along with the orphan manuscripts, maybe they could all be published in some alternative space in a collection.
Agree completely. Let's start referring to them as PPP (Paid Pharma Progagandists) and strike "mainstream" or "elite" from the vocabulary. It will piss them off and make you feel better when you have to spend your valuable time circling back to a 5 year old.
Dr. Rose,
Thank You for beeing there, for Heeding Your Call to bee among the FrontLiners, and for doing so Professionally, with Love, Truth and Wisdom, and the Ability to Ward Off those that are Still Sleepin!
For Those of Us still with the Ability to Utilize Critical Thinking, You are a True Beacon of Hope.
T'is Unfortunate that You have to Deal with the AssHoles; this ill-Funded Journalist, Neil Young and Many others, taking time away from Your Research.
T'is Interesting how Life pulls us in different directions, ifins We're Payin Attention & You Must Know that the Vast Majority of Us are beeing Enlightened with Your nearly Daily Posts; Yours and RFK's Sites serve as my Briefing beefore starting my day!
I find it Invigorating that Yourself & the Other FrontLiners have Temporarily Cast Aside Personal Interests to Carry the Torch in the Fight For Freedom, (FFF).
The Empires are Starting to Crumble.
May You Soon Return to the Waves, with a Clear Conscious of Doing All That You can Do!
Love Ya,
Walt Broughton
Yes stay in professional tone.
Jessica did that, albeit very nicely. Her hope was to impact the "paid propagandist's" conscience and avert/ameliorate a nasty "hit piece" that is doubtless, ready to publish. Jessica doesn't care what the mainstream is saying, per se. What she cares about is that what the mainstream is saying is not THE TRUTH.
Yes, she did and she was very professional about it. I would counter than even referring to them as "mainstream" is simply playing their game. To be clear, they are not "meanstream" in any way. They are radical, anti-science, paid propagandists for the pharmaceutical companies. No one watches or reads the "mainstream" media any longer, so they have no claim on being called "mainstream" any longer. Let's call them for what they are and banish the words "mainstream" and "elite" when describing low IQ grifters who are trying to kill people through acts of commission & omission.
I think it was sent as intimidation-- period. Its the bully in the school yard telling you to give them your your quarter
Thinking the same thing, just meant to scare you, no intent to go further with it.
Ugh....I get anxiety and outrage just from reading what these corrupt, incompetent "journalists" have done and continue to do to you and your peers. The desperate, angry intent comes across loud and clear in "Dr. Evil's" email to you and it really is super sad that supposedly intelligent people are falling victim to this kind of unethical, immoral behavior - and it's everywhere these days. And, not for nothing - you'd think Dr. Evil - as a PhD whatever...herself, would be personally offended and incensed that your paper was pulled with no explanation - regardless of the content! If she could only imagine it happening to her. Both your interpretation and response was perfect, Jessica - in fact, I applaud your restraint! Listen - call me old fashioned and I'll probably date myself here but my Mother had a motto that she *drilled* into my head when I was growing up "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Of course, it's not actually my Mom's motto ...... comes from a much higher power... but one she wanted me to learn and live by. I think it has served me well to always consider this and it's aged well too because as I got older, had kids and got some patience - I got better at pausing before reacting and really trying to put myself in the other person's shoes. That's not to say she wouldn't have wanted me to defend myself from attacks but to take a pause, not jump to conclusions. This is almost a text book example - you paused, considered what Dr. Evil had to say, disagreed but at the same time, both defended yourself appropriately and gave her a chance. My Mom would be proud of you!!
Jess, If she goes ahead and misrepresents the content of the paper, I would add her to the lawsuit. You might want to let her know before the fact.
Cheers!
i will ask peter. i cced him on my reply.
Hope you are consulting your lawyer along the way.
She’s not a journalist. She’s a paid propagandist from the university of Pfizer. Have you been following the kerfuffle re: Gandhi (Stanford) & Berenson?
Good catch.
You wrote a perfect response. You answered ridicule and derision and disingenuousness, with facts, with calm, with honesty, with integrity, with superior knowledge of your subject matter. Bravo, Jessica! Your restraint was a marvel. I feel very angry towards these people. They are harming humanity in ways big and small. Small people they are. You are a giant among truth tellers and ethical scientists. Thank you!
i feel sorry for them. they lack integrity and got lost somewhere along the way. it's sad.
That is good you can feel compassion and sorrow for them. I just cannot. They’ve lied, cheated, stolen, and murdered people with their obfuscations and denial of proper care.
Dearest Dr. Rose,
You are a great source of inspiration but also so very entertaining. I sat through a 3 hour webinar of yours recently and was transfixed. Sincerest respect from a fellow gal in Ontario, well versed in Functional Medicine and Chiropractic. Thank you for your research, published or not. I'm a big fan; I read you every day.
Never speak to the media. They are not interested in the truth, or your side of the story. They are only interested in destroying your credibility because you are a heretic and have questioned their narrative. No, it will not be different with you. Ignore all their emails and phone calls. Their story is already written. Here are the top 5 ways of dealing with the media:
1. Never speak to the media.
2. Never speak to the media.
3. Never speak to the media.
4. Never speak to the media.
5. Never speak to the media.
i don't care what they write about me. i am not affected by it. the truth stands on its own. tall and unwavering. they will always lose because of this.
You are 100% correct. You are on the Target!! You are awesome!! Thx for what you are doing.
It is important to post at least a brief and professional reply so that they cannot say "we contacted the author but did not receive a response" as we see in so many other journalists' stories about malfeasance of corporations and other newsmakers.
Wonderful eloquence and surgically precise.!! Thank you Jessica! I am sorry you have to deal Big Pharma flacks. Keep on Truckin' ! Your work is Very Important!
convoyyyyy!!!
Hmm. "Dear Dr. Rose,
I'm a reporter for [Dr. Evil]. I'm writing an investigation about academic articles that could be used to promote misinformation about vaccines that have been published by peer-reviewed journals, which critics say shows serious flaws in the system of peer review."
What a strangely worded sentence. I guess I would have asked her to name the" critics" and provide an example of what they say about peer review and its serious flaws so you can determine the validity of claims. Just out of the blue and maybe not related directly is the letter signed by umm, 17 scientists to...was it... Lancet or JAAMA (?) where they claimed a lab did not create covid after it was speculated earlier that yes, it was a lab creation. Those 17 were pressured to change the narrative.
You are both kinder and more patient than she deserved. Applause to you for maturity and grace.
Since I know you surf, but I can't post a picture. I have a sticker at my office desk it says "screw it, go surf". Join me in Cabo when this is over and let's have a laugh at what we survived. You are doing the right work at a time when we all needed you, don't ever forget that, there will always be these lame people we are just seeing more of them over the last 24 months.
Excellent response, Jessica. You got right to the heart of it, showing your insightful logic, and ability to stick to facts. And you got in a good punch or two. Brava!