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So the wisest act in this world is to walk away as often as humanly possible from the machine, cook a nice meal, make a nice cuppa, sit under a tree, swim, sing even if you think you cannot sing, sing, sing, and swing those hips, wonder at the beauty of it all when outside, start a family, create someting real and tangible or thought provoking and kindling, like lighting the fire of love...if you look for your comforting of emotions in a machine, the new machine, it is the same as the people who went to the fridge to placate their emotions and grabbed the tub of ice cream...we all know how that does not work either...Grüß Gott.

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Remember when you would think of someone and then the phone would ring, and you knew it was them? Relate that to the quantum computing stuff and assess what is the ring of power that science is striving for and at what cost.

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i still have that with some people. those relationships are magic.

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I’ve known we’re being poisoned by the food we eat, but that’s not where the poisons end. We’re putting it on our skin in the form of lotions and topical medications. We’re breathing the toxic fumes from chem trails, etc. There is no end to the way in which we are being poisoned.

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Praising God in your heart every time you notice something good (all good is said to be God). Works well. It’s actually like kryptonite to these people.

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Yes, Grüß Gott! Smile it is still for free.

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I love this Swiss greeting , it has profound implications when one contemplates its true meaning.

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AI is a gmo problem. The consumers naturally sense danger. Like pigs to a trap. So, like such technologies the benefactors ( those who get priviledged from it) seek out domains where acceptance may occur.

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I feel zero need to use AI for anything. Zero. I feel perfectly satisfied using my own intelligence. Use of AI has the potential to blur the definitions of self identity and accomplishment. It could take on the characteristics of a dangerous drug…distorted reality, addiction. I’m gonna watch this show from the sidelines.

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My thought exactly. I wish I could remember something I read just a few days ago about the numerous examples of how AI got things completely wrong.

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🙌

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ditto here. will not willingly use it. ever. don't care how many pretty pictures it can generate.

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I have a family member who has been doing Cyber Security for 27 years. Just before Christmas I asked him a question about AI and here was his response: "There is no such thing as AI. It's just another browser." And I thought about it. He's right.

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interesting

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AI is computers on steroids. Remember GIGO? Garbage In Garbage Out? The quality of the response depends on the quality of AI programming.

If nobody ever inputs wisdom, will you ever get wisdom? Is wisdom finite and capturable without experience outside the AI chat room? Zeros and Ones do not constitute physical, emotional, mental or spiritual life.

Can AI evolve beyond the wisdom of its inputs? It doesn't have a connection with the divine, it's not tethered to real world experience, only that of its programmers. Where does AI get discrimination, how is it tethered and grounded in what matters--the physical world and our ability to feed ourselves and sustain life? AI learning from AI will be based on the discretion and bias of its programmers. And the wisdom you get will be limited by true experience in the worlds, outer and inner, or lack thereof. I watch people wandering around with their 3D goggles, and wonder how far they are drifitng from the world God made.

There is incredible capacity here for bias, directing our attention where those who run/program the AI want it to go, dependency on a system that at first seems objective and then slides into manipulation. There is no such thing as objective AI, it's just stuff recycled and recombined at a high rate of speed. If we are simply followers of AI then we are lost.

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I could agree with that. Nobody has convinced me that AI is actually intelligent, cos it hasnt actually solved any meaningful problems. Might be useful for winning chess games, but hasnt told me what dark matter is, or what is inside a black hole.

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Because it's programmed by humans. That’s what I try to remember if I get worried about it "taking over". It's imperfect, just like us.

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The creepy people intend to use the human brain and interface it with technology like advanced nuralink. It is a cheap shot. They cannot do what God did, create human life, or any life, so they will fuck with it and take credit for their twisted notion of greatness.

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How will AI's take over? We'll let them think and entertain us. We'll be lazy, greedy, naïve and easily manipulated. We'll make it what it is, and tell it to do what we want. We have to be careful what we want and be prepared to give up some comfort and convenience or we'll be sucked into a path of decline.

My fear is that it will be weaponized by good intension, as well as evil plotting. It is too powerful in it's potential to amplify our problematic human nature. It can absolutely control us easily if we tell it to.

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Or fail to tell it not to!

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Well sure, i can say something similar. But that it gets referred as a thing and its called AI is all that matters. LLM is lukely a better term. Large language model. But i think what is happening is that such big projects are influencing the common discourse. Recently a person i consider radical left extremist of the Woke variety ( as opposed to the historical black activist of the 60 and 70’s) has presented the idea that their evolutuonary non spiritual material point of view is best argued from this recent book. So , i got the book. Most fascinating is how the moderns use tge idea of algorithms as a counter to intelligent design. This is a thing. Because algorithms can have outcomes that affect designs it is used to counter sone idea of God. But then when approaching it in computing the fantasy is that at some point the complex of algorithmic interplay may go further still. I would say there is a difference between the magic of mindful manifestation and complicated tricks of hand. This is the challenge i have raising kids and finding ways to introduce them to this difference.

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Agree. That's why it's called artificial.

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The separation between us have already happened and it was put on steroids in 2020. because of the chaos of the COVID-19 pandemic, today friends and family talk to me differently because of my position, not because I attacked them but because I thought differently of the situation it is sad, but it seems like we’re growing further and further apart is this by design what’s the old saying dividing conquer I used to be on the dating app reputable one and I noticed on profiles that were coming up over and over again stating they were vaccinated at the top of their profile so are we being more and more separated? I think we are Some people in my office admittedly realize I wasn’t crazy for my stance of a COVID-19 virus in the COVID-19 injectable, but yet we still can’t talk about the science of it and the implications of what happened it’s like oh well they made a mistake. Let’s move on, but we can’t move on unless we learn from our mistakes.

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Unfortunately those people saw your stance (my stance) on the Covid BS as attacks. I never attacked a single person for wearing a mask, but I was often attacked for refusing to wear one.

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EXACTLY!

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Amen. They dissolved every part of humanity that connects us by causing that division. I wanted to get involved with a Buddhist temple near me but they were requiring masks and "papers" which violates everything I know about Buddhist practices. 😞 I can't have an honest conversation with anyone it seems.

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You speak honestly with us fellow substackers, don’t give up we are all out here

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wow! my 'practicing Catholic' sister will STILL 'go to Mass' online. don't know how this could possibly count as receiving the sacrament of Communion but she doesn't seem bothered by it one bit.

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Edit suggestion: they tried to dissolve

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Even if it’s not intentional divide. Someone will use the divide for their conquer.

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yeah. the division was part of the strategy. an objective.

it's so important to be fulfilled and engaged with the real world we inhabit. it's like armour.

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My opinion: AI will not "know love." However, AI will profess love and for many that will be enough.

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“My greatest concern is that one day, we’ll all wake up, and have lost all connection to the human part of being.”

Not all of us. Maybe many. They likely will be the very same who have been sucked into the matrix and willingly zombified by the other tools of mind control: TV and more recently social media. Those of us who are sufficiently sentient to escape the maw of industrial subjugation will delight in finding and engaging with each other.

“AI” can be a useful tool, but you needn’t worry that it’s going to result in enslavement — that has already happened.

Decades ago we were told that “expert systems” would replace doctors, that we would take our health complaints to a computer that would diagnose and treat us. Have you been to a doctor lately? Here in the US you get about 5 minutes in consultation, with the doctor looking at the computer more than she does you, slavishly following a diagnostic checklist and eventually, the rigid, deviate-and-lose-your-practice “standard of care”. The computer, however, is not the master. The insurance companies and hospital industry are the masters. The computer is merely the whip. Easy analogies are drawn to TV and social media. “AI” will be the same.

The new techno-slavery is entirely voluntary. Don’t volunteer.

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It is the nanotechnology in the injections that can control your mind and body

VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS DATA FACT!

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I’ve never used AI & don’t plan to. It just seems like the continuation of dumbing down that started with “smart phones” (& probably earlier). I’m old enough to have had to use the Dewey decimal system, wander all over the library, & handwrite a syllabus to do a paper for school. I had 50 telephone numbers & lots of other memorized information in my head. I used a paper map to plan a trip. Now? I just scroll the address book on my phone to make a call without knowing hardly anyone’s number, call up Google Maps to get somewhere or use a search engine for quick info on every subject under the sun.

At least I still remember how it used to be but generations after have been robbed of innate intelligence.

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I loved paper maps too...... waaahhhhh!!!

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Zeb, I have to tell you that a few years ago I was going to visit my son in Biloxi - leaving from New Mexico to a place I’d never been.

I did NOT want to rely on internet so I got a hard copy Rand McNally map book, made copies of the portions of NM, TX, LA & Mississippi I needed, taped them together & used a yellow highlighter to trace our route across the highways & freeways. I was so much more comfortable w/ that & it worked beautifully!

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You do realize that you are using AI when you use Google maps to direct you to a destination, don't you? Your GPS program will give you several choices based upon traffic conditions, avoiding traffic control, toll roads, etc. That application is using AI. You may not directly query ChatGPT, Grok, or Perplexity, have them solve a problem, create an image, or write something for you, but every time you conduct a web search you are using AI and it will become an increasingly present part of your life whether you like it or not.

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Anything and everything to draw us from the truths found in God’s Word. All is vanity. Be…in the Word.

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I don’t think about or use AI much at all. Maybe once a week I will use a LLM. When I have a very specific question.

I do like the AI generated art. It’s very beautiful but it always, to me anyway, has a certain coldness to it. It’s often too perfect. But maybe I’m just wanting to find fault. Art is very much the idea though. A brilliant conception. When AI paints “Christina’s World” or the equivalent of, unprompted because it had to … that would be something. When AI writes a novel about the year it broke up with its teenage AI crush … how the smell of cinema popcorn from all those movie dates now fills its AI heart with buttery sadness. That would be something … I’m not really impressed with AI. I really don’t see all the fuss. The sky is azure blue to my organic eyes and the clouds scaffold the arc like hollow fish bones.

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Without auditable footnotes and bibliography of source material, who is accountable for the opinions generated by AI? AI as a research assistant is a possible application. But humans must always be held accountable for the final results. Though there does appear to be a war against personal accountability, as evidenced by the response to the LA fires.

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I thought the original idea of AI was so robots could sort out products in a bin and move them to the shipping area. Now it turns out that AI magically works with computerized graphics. There are a lot of AI generated videos on YouTube called "Steampunk". Some of the videos are quite fantastic. Unfortunately the trend seems to be to feature women with massively oversized mamories which grow larger as each week passes. As a male, I find the trend not only ridiculous but completely disgusting. Fictionalized women who compete with dairy cows in beauty pageants are not my cup of tea.

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Here's an example of what I'm talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6KUg7w8Ukw

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thats just plain weird....soft porn for those who like Rubenesque women

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Run away. It's a computer program that reports your every thought. You will be slaves and you will like it. Are there any resistors left?

Imagine there's no AI

It's easy if you try.

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My gosh, that is beautiful and I thought the word "astounding" when I saw it.

 I think it was Tagore, a nobel prize winning Indian poet, who said that the "poet approaches intimately what the scientist approaches awkwardly." 

And AI is, in my view, not even a scientist.  It has no soul, nor feeling, nor real intelligence, only memory (data) and access to information.  

A version of a Robert Frost poem states...

"Some say the earth will end in fire

Some say with ice

From what I have seen of desire

I will side with fire

But if it must perish twice.

Ice will suffice"

AI has no fire, it has no desire.  It can kill a billion, or save a billion, and not care.  It can be programmed to say it cares, and not care.  People care, and now we know animals care, without the same reflections and conscience of people, yet they care and have desire.  Computers never care.  Yet people will think they care when they mimic caring.  This is not healthy, and an abuse of a useful tool. Ask the AI which image it prefers and why.  In truth it prefers none of them, yet it may still pretend to choose.   

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But LLM and sll AI is simply a complicated regurgitation of the accomplishments of humanity. Its in fact all human and nothing if its own.

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" Lady A told me how an AI chat bot was able to make her feel “better” [...]. I find this equally fascinating and disturbing. Comfort is comfort, no? "

You know what I would say about... "artificial comfort"... but I chose not to - right :P?

Comfort is comfort - RIGHT :P?

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i know... it's a hard one for me

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I personally avoid interacting with AI... feels creepy.

Was I ever curious?

NO!

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A lot of us human beings have never used AI. And a lot of us never will. I don't use a cell phone and I find it amusing that so many people are always scrolling through their social media. Sometimes they do show me some amusing little quotes, videos or memes. But it's never interesting enough to get me to personally invest in that lifestyle.

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You have been using AI for years. Every time you google.

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This, not using AI or cell phone, will make your life better.

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Yes, I threw my cell phone out in 2010 and I have lived happily for fifteen years without one. I lived happily without them before they became popular. I used one for fifteen years or so. Thought they were great, even necessary. Then, when they started becoming smart phones and felt increasingly like a burden, I got rid of it. Threw it away and never looked back.

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I'm not there yet but I'm close. Deleted all the "social" apps. I'm 75 and my wife thinks I need this thing with me in my fields, in the woods, in the garden, in the bathroom. I remind her we did fine dating without em, I did fine on call without em, I sleep better without em. Now we do worse with em.

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Me too, but I still use the computer. I don't want to be isolated and ignorant, but I'm careful.

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Neither am I.

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You could say that a blow up doll provides comfort as well, but it's a rather poor facsimile of what a real relationship is.

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Sounds like she just has shitty friends …

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I’m forming a new mental structure about things and in not fully telling the truth.

Goes like this (I didn’t invent this).

If what you’re promoting for yourself in the world isn’t fully true. Like the truth of eating crow etc, you’ll get bad results. Like this;

Socialism (you’re basically wanting things you don’t have that others do and don’t want to spend all that time helping others for you to get them). So you’ll lie a bit to get power.

Communism possibly being unchecked socialism, so for power at this level you will kill or have given your sovereignty to someone who will kill for you to get the power you’re after.

So I now listen very closely to the thoughts behind the thoughts of people for sacrificial truth. And love it where I find it.

It’s not a perfect way to think and observe. But after the hellfire of lies we’ve been through it’s where I am.

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Go watch WALLY. I watched WALLY the first time years ago, and sat through the entire thing going 'not for me, not for me, no way, no way.' I read no AI answers from the searches, I don't take any AI suggestions, I don't let AI do any of the work I do. I rarely text and won't do business with anyone who won't have a real conversation with me.

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"I am having a massive internal struggle about this subject matter - integrating AIs into my daily life - because I feel very strongly that the lure of AI will lead to the destruction of the creative mind."

Similar struggles and doubts were voiced over many groundbreaking inventions. The printing press, radio, television, the internet, now "AI." I am old enough to remember almost the exact same concerns being raised regarding the internet.

These LLM's can be very useful, but they are not intelligent. It is just code. They can scan so much data to provide a detailed answer in seconds. The same problems exist as with our internet search engines. What sources does the code allow to be scanned, what points of view are blocked off? These points have a direct bearing on what an LLM can return as an answer. Imagine querying an LLM about the safety of the Covid-19 vaccines, but the LLM can only access the FDA, CDC, and WHO. It is important that when using LLM's we know what the code allows and what it doesn't.

It is inevitable that we will have personal assistants that might be part of a "smart" home system. This software will "learn" our preferences, manage household budgets, make appointments, notify us of important communications while filtering out the junk, monitor the security of your home and so much more. The danger here is - How much privacy will we sacrifice for all of this convenience? Where will the massive amounts of personal data be stored, how will the data be protected, and who will have access to it?

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Oh well, HAL 9000 is now the modern-day Golem, and we are worrying about the same old stuff. The Golem gets out of control when the rebbe forgets to take out Hashem at midnight. I think that is a perfect parable. The fact that AI might be a useful way to deal with certain problems is not the same as saying it produces truth. The point is that we need to be conscious of the fact that it is a tool and use it as such. Every instance of AI has built-in limitations, a paradigm within which it operates. And just like LTCM was a lesson in how conformal mapping blows up in your face if the underlying terrain changes and you fail to update the map, AI will produce many disasters if we let it get out of hand.

Right now, AI is like the invisible fence around the plantation, and the so-called healthcare system is the commissary to ensure "we" strip the slaves of all their assets before their remains are discarded in the trash.

AI is not an answer to anything, but it may enhance certain capabilities if it is used right. AI, if we make it an idol, will destroy us, like all idols will, but that does not make it either "true" or intelligent. It is a tool, and like all tools, it will be widely misused.

https://www.americaoutloud.news/automated-insanity-is-not-intelligence/

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