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Malignant's avatar

Robo-Jess fills in our western blots, like how Dominion fills in our voting blots.

Mark Much's avatar

How do Western Blots differ from Southern Blots and Northern Blots? I went to Lappland once to see the Northern Blots. One day I hope to sail around Cape Horn to see the Southern Blots.

Malignant's avatar

They’re called western blots because they’re a democracy, which means the pharmaceutical companies can buy them into saying whatever they want.

Ryan Heinzman's avatar

I'll wager it is all paid for by the same evil actors trying to take America down, along with the majority of the population

Dr Ah Kahn Syed's avatar

Jess (the real one not the robo-one) - thank you for summing this up so perfectly! The issue for me is that these AWBs (which are not Western blots but are essentially interpreted electropherograms displayed in a nice even plot) are just so easy to falsify. You can't use these as proof of anything. They are internal screening devices to look for stuff which, when you publish, you'd better have the real Western otherwise your reviewers are (should be) asking questions.

Which is exactly what the FDA didn't do.

Jessica Rose's avatar

Glad that I was able to! Robo-Jess can't write so I got her beat on this.

A Midwestern Doctor's avatar

But they labeled them as real Western Blots in the submissions :(

James Beck's avatar

This is all a plausible legalistic ruse for a fraud defense if taken to court that they know will come.

The Judge's that could well preside over this litigation effort I am sure have already been handsomely paid off.

emma's avatar

I was just reading A Midwestern Doctor's Substack and then checked my email to find this. Yes to human hand made Westerns Blots.

Kati Kovacs's avatar

I so love you! Your humour! Your computer mind! Your ability to be a human and humane whilst disseminating tough stuff that few can even comprehend! Cheers Bella! Muchas Gracias from your home country of Canada!

DrugDiscovery's avatar

The whole thing reads like a western plot! Bad guys, good guys, you name it! 😜

Jerms 9654's avatar

Even if the blots were fraudulent nothing would have happened. All the media does is ignore it and the story never comes out except on substack. Its a winning strategy that for sure.

Jessica Rose's avatar

Well then we need to speak LOUDER, don't we?

Jerms 9654's avatar

People obviously dont listen to us. We are right wing anti vaxxer Trumpalos to them. If the media doesnt report it—it aint happening.

Thanks for all youre great work. God bless.

Malignant's avatar

They SAY they aren’t listening to us…

We’re getting to them.

We’re poking holes in the dam, while the damn operator screams down at us, “Still standing!”

Yeah…not for long….

Jerms 9654's avatar

I pray you are right and i am wrong. Time will tell.

Malignant's avatar

Can you hear me now?

James Beck's avatar

Or get on Tucker Carlson's show. Do your screaming on that forum.

Barry O'Kenyan's avatar

"Not to defend Pfizer, but simply the computer generated nature of the Western blots cannot be used to prove fraud."

I dissent. Unless it stated that those blotches - or whatever they are - were computer generated, it was fraud upon fraud. It is like claiming an animal is a real bat when it was not even a natural animal!

Malignant's avatar

Pfizer’s past history sure as shit can be used to prove fraud.

Barry O'Kenyan's avatar

It is trite to say pfizer has blotted its already much tarnished reputation even further!

Jonathan Engler's avatar

It’s the same as the PCR debacle.

Convert complex molecular biochemistry from an expert task into an automated process and you have an unreliable and corruptible platform.

Neil Rogers's avatar

So we have a ‘novel’ genomic sequence provided in-silico, a computer modelled pandemic outcome and target proteins identified by Jess.

There has to be a link in there.............

PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

All brought to us by people who find humans expendable, and because they find humans expendable. Humans cost too much money and resources while also being the only part of creation that asks preposterous questions, for instance about the authenticity of virus genomes and western blot printouts. Extremely irritating and expendable.

Watersnake's avatar

And the PCR test to ‘prove’ it.

Don Newmeyer's avatar

Having done more than my share of western blots, I'm all in favor of machine automation. It's been done for DNA, so why not protein also? I don't get why you distrust the idea of this kind of machine.

Jessica Rose's avatar

Did you read my thoughts? I personally will never think that automating Westerns will out-do the traditional hands-on methodology. :) I know I am probably the minority in my thinking.

norstadt's avatar

Among all the valid criticisms of these vaccines, it strikes me as the least problematic that drug development used modern analysis machines. Lots of researchers put the machines to good use. https://www.bio-techne.com/resources/testimonials

Don Newmeyer's avatar

Well, I’d assume that the machine developer has tested its accuracy,speed and reproducibility, which hopefully exceeds that of humans. I’m not doubting your skill, nor mine, but personally I’d love to have had robotic assistance. I could have spent my time on other more human-dependent things.

Gordon Linton's avatar

If it's a 'black box', and particularly if software updates are automatic, then it is open to fraud and closed to scrutiny.

The terms of use are VERY restrictive, I have no idea of the potential implications (or not), but I do know that when hundreds of $billions are involved, if it can be used for fraud, it will be at some point.

https://www.bio-techne.com/terms-and-conditions

Joel Smalley's avatar

What other human-dependent things do you think could not be automated and done by a robot? Sounds like an advocacy for transhumanism? Where does it stop? who decides?

Don Newmeyer's avatar

I come from an era, a philosophy, of science in which most people are honest with their data presentation because eventually your results are either confirmed or rejected by other labs, or even your own further work. The problem with the pharma industry is that it’s become not traditional science, but businessified and politicized charlatanism. So I can understand why people have lost trust. I still have some hope that the fraud will be revealed and that certain people will be held accountable, because otherwise the biomedical enterprise is going to be increasingly seen as snake oil.

PERSISTENT OBJECTOR to new IHR's avatar

I think it is easy to distrust also because it is known that in science generally, there have often been people who have faked research results in the past, and more specifically Pfizer is a company with a long track record of proven cases of dishonesty, and with this new type of machine, you get a new additional possibility for faking research results, as you routinely get print results that are cleaned of any unique artefacts, so you get a result document that looks much more easy to fake than a traditional western blot end result, the new end output unfortunately

is not something with difficult to fake characteristics, so depending on character of involved researcher, depending on stakes involved, invites forgery and fraud.

David Lamson's avatar

The mechanical steps (gel run, transfer, and Ab treatment/washes) can be automated without changing anything, but the digital image is where fraud enters. I can make a digital Western image appear however I want it to. Not a matter of distrust, but just understanding that where fraud is possible, fraud will occur. Big Pharma and Big Science have proven that in spades.

DB's avatar

I think so. Those images look manufactured, even considering automation and the fact that they said the resulting image comes from deconvoluting another signal (I personally don't see how that should change anything, sounds like a lame excuse). Running a bunch of proteins in a gel is such a sensitive thing that some noise should be present.

DB's avatar

That's what have been done with proteomics, but even there people still use some ''traditional'' approaches. Automatic results, specially from ''omics'' techniques should be taken with caution, even if done in good faith...

theCnner's avatar

MAYBE... robo-Jess is good for the middle steps (or what a programmer might call "rapid prototyping") to take the tedium out, while a real human-Jess does the endpoint Western blots as not only a verification of the data/blots, but a verification of the results themselves.

Jessica Rose's avatar

I dunno. Maybe... but I just don't think automation belongs here. There's something specific about Westerns that should always be used to torture us lab rats. :D

Jaime Jessop's avatar

My personal theory is that Pfizer used their Automated Western Blot machines to do their redactions in their clinical trial results.

Freedom's avatar

I’ve read that giving robots human names (like Jess or Alexa or Sophia) humanize them for us, makes us think of them on some level as being like us. They might be made to look/act human but they are NOT human, they are machines.

Malignant's avatar

Nah, people just have to name stuff.

Can’t even have a semi submersible without some wanker naming it Boaty McBoatFace

Faz's avatar

I’m curious to know why some Western blots would be automated and others done by hand. If as mentioned in the Midwestern substack comment (amazing substack btw) they have 20 why wouldn’t all be automated?

Don Newmeyer's avatar

I assume that Pfizer is a massive enterprise, and that they prioritize the distribution of robotic technology to the most urgent projects.

Joel Smalley's avatar

What time is tea and biscuits round your place, then? I'm looking forward to homemade goodness!