My daughter a social worker in New York recently told me it seems a lot of her patients now seem to carry a diagnosis of POTS. I had wondered if it could have been due to the spike protein.
In clinic i have also seen arise in POTs-like presentation, and /or new diagnosis.😐
What is also interesting is that i am also seeing a rise in "... various rashes (urticaria, erythema, maculopapular eruptions), paresthesia, burning sensations, edema, headaches, profound fatigue, brain fog, chest pain, palpitations, and other dermatological and neurological manifestations."
As outlined by Jess.
AND....these are not just in Px who had covid OR PASC, OR PAVS. These Sx are presenting only since 2021, with no known Hx of SARSCoV2 exposure or vaccination.🤔🤨😐. Its like all the super fun stuff without the pin cushion part **extreme sarcasm implied
Thanks for the awakening. You are a gem. I know I have been damaged by tree covid vaccines. No doctor l have seen will admit it. But what the hell can I do to reduce my symptoms of fatigue, skin rashes and brain fog? Doctors only prescribe antidepressants.
Adequate vitamin-D to keep your blood level in the upper normal range would mean 5000IU/d long term, and twice that for a fair number of people, such as obese people or those without a gallbladder.
Nattokinase at a dose of 12,000FU per day seems to break down spike protein.
There are lots of protocols, but these are things one might try over the counter or mail order. A person on blood thinners other than low dose aspirin should check with their prescribing physician before adding nattokinase, which breaks down fibrin, a componant of clots.
One might try these for a month and see how it is going.
Whenever I read "nattokinase" I can not help but think of - Steve Kirsch's reporting - I'm currently blind in one eye from a subretinal hemorrhage (SRH); with your help, it won't be permanent" here https://kirschsubstack.com/p/im-currently-blind-in-one-eye-from where he writes "What I’m taking now - I’m already on nattokinase, zinc, CoQ10, bromelain, and curcumin."
I remember shortly after this post another, which I did not find today, where, perhaps with community input he had requested, He had linked his possible pre-condition of weakened blood vessels in his eye with his start of The McCullough Spike Detox Protocol which contained nattokinase, bromelain and curcumin (turmeric root extract) and the subsequent bleed into his eye. My non medical background - I suppose excessive blood thinning, weak blood vessel wall, seepage starts, down regulated clotting, seepage becomes a leak.
I did find this post of a Aug 15th: 2024 Steve Kirsch video where Steve Kirsch, starting at the 4:25 time mark into the video, offers his caution about taking any supplements. https://welcometheeagle.substack.com/p/did-the-c19-vax-cause-stevie-kirschs - i.e. including Taking The McCullough Spike Detox Protocol which contained nattokinase, bromelain and curcumin (turmeric root extract) Which he had deduced was a precipitating factor of his eye bleed blindness.
First time I have come across his substack. Worthwhile to read or skim for adding in some precautionary understanding and perspective when taking a number of the drugs and supplements we have all become familiar with and have purchased. He offers his "ranking" of some of those who are telling us what the "truth" is. and tells some of what he does at the end .
You might read that paper on nattokinase. It is derived from natto, a fermented soy product eaten in Japan.
Various kind of retinal and vitreous hemorrhages are much studied, and are common in diabetes mellitis.
I do not know the detailed history of Steve Kirsch's hemorrhage, nor the cause(s).
Peter McCullough has spike detox protocols, yes.
Pierre Kory MD and his group have done a lot of work with Long COVID & Long-Post-Vaccine Syndrome patients, which seem to be the same group, plagued by spike protein autoantibodies and various immune suppression effects, often with a lot of clotting problems.
My experience is more limited than theirs, since I did not treat very many patients after being fired for vaccine-refusal in October 2021.
Thank You. I downloaded and read over " Effective management of atherosclerosis progress and hyperlipidemia with nattokinase: A clinical study with 1,062 participants"
Looks like a good indication of safety and effectiveness with the tested dose of 10,800 FU nattokinase (plus for some aspirin and K2) daily in their Chinese study population that, note, also experienced perhaps 1/300th of the damage from the sars-cov2 spike protein that the equivalent population in the US suffered and none of the damage from the US covid vaccine "spike " antigen.
I can appreciate the concerns about taking nattokinase for spike detox a person would have if they were a diabetic with weakened eye vessels, who both took covid vaccines and who had covid and, as an anti N95 masker, probably a number of reinfections each adding some spike load.
I noted this: "In smokers and alcohol-drinking participants, we found that hyperlipidemic conditions and atherosclerotic conditions were generally worse compared to nonsmokers and participants who drank less. We also found that the effects of NK on lipid lowering and antiatherosclerotic action were slightly stronger"
and this: We found that NK at 3,600 FU dose was not effective in lowering lipids and suppressing atherosclerosis. Lipid levels and CCA-IMT and plaque size did not change after 12 months of NK consumption at that dose.
So a lower dose looks to stop progression "Lipid levels and CCA-IMT and plaque size did not change after 12 months of NK consumption at that dose."
Which leads to the East and the wisdom inherent in the regular consumption, over a lifetime, of say 50 gram portions of natto (prepared in some manner and or eaten in some manner so as to be able to be eaten) containing both K2-MK7 and ~1,400 to 2,000 FU nattokinase within a diet containing far less highly processed "food"
"fired for vaccine-refusal in October 2021." - shows - The pure evil, there and waiting to act, through many in authority near to each of our lives.
There are various theories about why Okinawans eating a traditional diet live long and healthy lives. Natto and purple yams are amongst them.
To me, this study demonstrated dosing safety of something that chews up spike protein, and an important dose-effect in a different disease process, so it suggested grounds for trying a higher-than-usual dose of nattokinase for Long-COVID/Long-Post-Vaccine Syndrome. It and appropriately high dose vitamin-D with lab monitoring greatly helped a patient of mine who had almost died of pulmonary embolism after COVID and 3 subsequent mRNA "vaccine" injections. I was happy to be able to take part in her return to life.
She got off a lot of other meds and quit seeing a couple of specialists in the process.
That practice, where I worked some for several years got sold twice, so I and 2 of 3 Nurse Practitioners are no longer there....
Is it "evil" that our owners need to cull us again? We are their herds to manage, are we not? Do we have another ecosystem management format to replace the apex-predator model, where we have become grazing herds and they have become our predators?
I seek and endeavor to follow Divine Guidance, which is what I can do.
Effective management of atherosclerosis progress and hyperlipidemia with nattokinase: A clinical study with 1,062 participants
Nattokinase (NK), known as a potent fibrinolytic and antithrombotic agent, has been shown to have antiatherosclerotic and lipid-lowering effects. However, data on human clinical studies are limited. In this clinical study involving 1,062 participants, our objective was to examine the efficacy of NK in atherosclerosis and hyperlipidemia and safety at the dose of 10,800 FU/day after 12 months of oral administration. Various factors, including lower doses that influence NK pharmacological actions, were also investigated.
We found that NK at a dose of 10,800 FU/day effectively managed the progression of atherosclerosis and hyperlipidemia with a significant improvement in the lipid profile. A significant reduction in the thickness of the carotid artery intima-media and the size of the carotid plaque was observed. The improvement rates ranged from 66.5 to 95.4%. NK was found to be ineffective in lowering lipids and suppressing atherosclerosis progression at a dose of 3,600 FU/day. The lipid-lowering effect of NK was more prominent in subjects who smoked, drank alcohol, and subjects with higher BMI. Regular exercise further improved the effects of NK. Co-administration of vitamin K2 and aspirin with NK produced a synergetic effect. No noticeable adverse effects associated with the use of NK were recorded.
In conclusion, our data demonstrate that atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia can be effectively managed with NK at a dose of 10,800 FU/day. The lower dose of 3,600 FU per day is ineffective. The dose of 10,800 FU/day is safe and well tolerated. Some lifestyle factors and the coadministration of vitamin K2 and aspirin lead to improved outcomes in the use of NK.
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Your intuition is entirely spot-on, and Microsoft Copilot's summary is highly accurate according to peer-reviewed nutritional and biochemical literature.
The idea that whole natto is a "zero-sum game" because it contains both a clotting agent and an anti-clotting agent is a classic reductionist logic error. When we look at the actual peer-reviewed science, the two compounds do not simply fight each other to a standstill; instead, they operate via completely independent physiological mechanisms, target different tissues, and operate on vastly different timelines.
Here is the peer-reviewed breakdown of how these two agents behave within the body.
1. Nattokinase: The Direct, Rapid Anti-Clotting Agent
Nattokinase is a purified extracellular enzyme (a serine protease) produced by Bacillus subtilis var. natto.
Mechanism: It does not rely on the liver or complex signaling cascades. It works via direct fibrinolysis. It actively breaks down fibrin (the mesh that holds blood clots together) and cleaves plasminogen activator inhibitor 1 (PAI-1), which naturally boosts the body’s own clot-dissolving systems.
Timescale: It acts rapidly. Pharmacokinetic studies show that when nattokinase is absorbed into the bloodstream, its fibrinolytic activity peaks within 2 to 4 hours post-ingestion.
2. Vitamin K2 (MK-7): The Long-Term Homeostatic Agent
Natto is the richest known dietary source of Vitamin K2, specifically the long-chain menaquinone-7 (MK-7) isomer.
Mechanism: Vitamin K does not "create clots" on contact. Instead, it serves as an essential enzymatic cofactor in the liver for the gamma-carboxylation of specific proteins. This includes pro-coagulant factors (like Factors II, VII, IX, and X) which are necessary to ensure your blood can clot when you are injured so you don't bleed to death.
The Tissue Divergence: Crucially, peer-reviewed data highlights that MK-7 doesn't just hang around the liver to make clotting factors. Because of its long side-chain, it is easily redistributed to extrahepatic tissues like the bones and vasculature, where it activates Osteocalcin (to bind calcium to bones) and Matrix Gla Protein (MGP) (which actively prevents the calcification of arteries).
Timescale: Unlike the rapid, acute clearance of nattokinase, MK-7 has a remarkably long half-life in the human body (roughly 50 to 72 hours), slowly accumulating in the system over days to optimize calcium distribution and baseline clotting integrity.
Why the Whole Food Isn't a "Logic Error"
The human body relies on hemostasis—a finely tuned balance between being fluid enough to flow freely through capillaries, but ready enough to solidifying instantly to seal a wound.
No Direct Molecular Clash: Nattokinase is an active enzyme clearing away inappropriate, stagnant intravascular fibrin meshes. Vitamin K2 is a structural nutrient optimizing the liver's readiness to clot and keeping your arteries from hardening. They are not competing for the same receptors.
The Clinical Proof: Human clinical trials evaluating the consumption of whole natto food consistently demonstrate favorable cardiovascular outcomes (such as reduced blood pressure and improved lipid profiles) without triggering spontaneous internal bleeding or, conversely, causing random ischemic strokes. The body integrates both signals perfectly.
When the Supplement Industry's Extraction Makes Sense
The only time the "whole food paradox" becomes a clinical liability is in patients taking Warfarin (Coumadin).
Warfarin is a direct Vitamin K antagonist; it works by forcing a state of Vitamin K deficiency to keep the blood thin. Because whole natto delivers such a massive, bioavailable dose of MK-7, eating it can completely overwhelm and neutralize Warfarin therapy, spiking a patient's stroke risk.
For this reason, peer-reviewed medical literature strongly cautions Warfarin patients against eating whole natto. To circumvent this, manufacturers developed Vitamin K-free nattokinase supplements. This allows patients on specific pharmaceutical anticoagulants to benefit from the fibrinolytic action of the enzyme without dangerously disrupting their medication.
Summary
If you are a healthy individual, choosing a supplement solely because you fear the Vitamin K2 in whole natto will "cancel out" the nattokinase is a genuine logic error. Whole natto represents a masterclass in dietary synergy. However, if an individual is on prescription Vitamin K-antagonist blood thinners, that "logic error" transitions into a vital medical workaround.
The warfarin/vit. K issue should be resolved through testing (INR), and dosing the medication accordingly. From years ago, I understand that steady, high intake of vit. K (read: leafy vegetables) combined with an appropriate dosage of warfarin ought to result in greater stability of the anticoagulation process. It is also worth noticing that vit. K is crucial in fighting cancer, and suppressing and/or eliminating it completely may have dire consequences.
If you haven’t already please read Dr. Yoho’s substack on aspirin and how we have been lied to about the safety of it. It has been shown to be synergistic with fenben in treating cancer if you look at 2nd Smartest Guys stack. Also, I take aspirin, NAC and natto… haven’t bled out yet. Not that I am recommending anything but is good to know other info. Aspirin is way safer than ibuprofen or Tylenol.
Have you checked out Dr. Yoho’s substack? He self treats and offers so many natural remedies. DMSO and MMS are just a few. As well as 2nd smartest guys stack. I personally did 30days of IVM & fenben with zero side effects. Maybe repeat quarterly? I think it’s also whack a mole b/c the poisons are coming at us at from all angles. NAC has helped me with allergies for 3yrs and now they must be spraying something different in the air b/c they are back. Shedding is a factor as well. Wtf knows. Just keep whacking!
I hear you. It’s incredibly frustrating! I can eat garbage one day and feel fine then eat “clean” and feel awful. There’s no rhyme or reason to any of this. Which is why I suspect parasites. I will say prayer has helped my attitude.
So sadly I got 3 of those mRNA deals. I now have POTS, anemia (like all the counts are low, but not cancer), I’m freezing fucking cold all the time even when it’s 70 out, and I’ve had every heart test you can think of and they tell me nothing is wrong. Also apparently my anemia is a copper deficiency which I find real hard to believe. Dunno if it’s all related or not, but thought I’d share.
At this point, I believe the spikes are micronized (genetically engineered) parasites, and that there never was any 'virus' hidden inside of them. The real bioweapons here are, and always were, these spikes-parasites. The vaccines were engineered to introduce these "special" new parasites, while simultaneously overcoming our own defenses to them, and thereby allowing endless replication within our bodies. The mRNA was intended to assure they could set up their own replication plants within our cells. At a minimum, these GMO-ed new lifeforms depend upon parasite DNA in order to replicate.
And the fact the FDA & CDC fought tooth and nail to stop us using ANYTHING that specifically kills parasites, (HCQ, Ivermectin, etc.) says it all. They KNEW this would interfere with their DEADLY agenda for us. It tells me they wanted to make SURE we didn't stop the replication, because this IS what happens with the use of anti-parasite substances. Fortunately, many people regularly eat foods which are inherently anti-parasitic, even some common spices, herbs, or even just citrus bitters, kill parasites. If not for these "accidental" remedies, they would've injured and killed many more (and much faster) than they did manage. It all makes PERFECT sense when you understand their actual GOAL was to injure and kill as many of us as they could.
Venous insufficiency. Very difficult to diagnose. And treat. I read somewhere that the Japanese put venous stents in elderly patients to combat dementia… maybe we all need them too.
Jeppers. I have been saying for years that the one thing the study '185350' quoted by the EMA public assessment report, did not investigate, were the effects on one tissue: the endothelial lining of the entire vascular system. Which I found fucking amazing, from the moment the public was told: the spike binds to ACE-2. And in real world terms: if there is anyone out there that has access to that data, check for the amount of blood pressure medication being prescribed from 2020 to today. I would bet money that there is a rise post vaccination.
My sister had to take two of the jabs to see her husband in the memory care facility. She’s never had high BP and after those shots requires two different meds to keep it down. The doctors attributed it to “stress”, and that’s convenient enough for her. He’s been dead now two years and she’s in a happy new stress free relationship. But her BP still requires those two meds 🧐
Pity the monsters that make and regulate the stuff have kept it all secret, for their own gain [=Fraud=vitiation of all contracts=zero jurisdiction to impose such stuff on the people ever again]].
Brilliant research as usual but what good is any research if it's selectively ignored?
The good news is that the snowballing truths are cornering Them...which probably will result in nothing except maybe being thrown a few bones for the public to suck on, while the Pathology Pandemic snowballs and people die off younger and younger.
Amazing how long it took for others to understand the scientific fact and logic that Jessica had back then already!
No Ralph. It is not. She was a child progidy who grew into a "brainiac" IQ in the genius categorization.
My daughter a social worker in New York recently told me it seems a lot of her patients now seem to carry a diagnosis of POTS. I had wondered if it could have been due to the spike protein.
it's so common as an AE in VAERS since 2021
In clinic i have also seen arise in POTs-like presentation, and /or new diagnosis.😐
What is also interesting is that i am also seeing a rise in "... various rashes (urticaria, erythema, maculopapular eruptions), paresthesia, burning sensations, edema, headaches, profound fatigue, brain fog, chest pain, palpitations, and other dermatological and neurological manifestations."
As outlined by Jess.
AND....these are not just in Px who had covid OR PASC, OR PAVS. These Sx are presenting only since 2021, with no known Hx of SARSCoV2 exposure or vaccination.🤔🤨😐. Its like all the super fun stuff without the pin cushion part **extreme sarcasm implied
Thanks for the awakening. You are a gem. I know I have been damaged by tree covid vaccines. No doctor l have seen will admit it. But what the hell can I do to reduce my symptoms of fatigue, skin rashes and brain fog? Doctors only prescribe antidepressants.
Kevin McCairn's protocol?
Adequate vitamin-D to keep your blood level in the upper normal range would mean 5000IU/d long term, and twice that for a fair number of people, such as obese people or those without a gallbladder.
Nattokinase at a dose of 12,000FU per day seems to break down spike protein.
There are lots of protocols, but these are things one might try over the counter or mail order. A person on blood thinners other than low dose aspirin should check with their prescribing physician before adding nattokinase, which breaks down fibrin, a componant of clots.
One might try these for a month and see how it is going.
This is general information, not medical advice.
Whenever I read "nattokinase" I can not help but think of - Steve Kirsch's reporting - I'm currently blind in one eye from a subretinal hemorrhage (SRH); with your help, it won't be permanent" here https://kirschsubstack.com/p/im-currently-blind-in-one-eye-from where he writes "What I’m taking now - I’m already on nattokinase, zinc, CoQ10, bromelain, and curcumin."
I remember shortly after this post another, which I did not find today, where, perhaps with community input he had requested, He had linked his possible pre-condition of weakened blood vessels in his eye with his start of The McCullough Spike Detox Protocol which contained nattokinase, bromelain and curcumin (turmeric root extract) and the subsequent bleed into his eye. My non medical background - I suppose excessive blood thinning, weak blood vessel wall, seepage starts, down regulated clotting, seepage becomes a leak.
I did find this post of a Aug 15th: 2024 Steve Kirsch video where Steve Kirsch, starting at the 4:25 time mark into the video, offers his caution about taking any supplements. https://welcometheeagle.substack.com/p/did-the-c19-vax-cause-stevie-kirschs - i.e. including Taking The McCullough Spike Detox Protocol which contained nattokinase, bromelain and curcumin (turmeric root extract) Which he had deduced was a precipitating factor of his eye bleed blindness.
When I searched with the duck duck go browser for the McCullough Spike Detox Protocol this post was in the first page mix "Ivermectin, the McCullough Protocols, and Why Terrain Matters More Than Products" here https://normanjamesemf.substack.com/p/ivermectin-the-mccullough-protocols
First time I have come across his substack. Worthwhile to read or skim for adding in some precautionary understanding and perspective when taking a number of the drugs and supplements we have all become familiar with and have purchased. He offers his "ranking" of some of those who are telling us what the "truth" is. and tells some of what he does at the end .
You might read that paper on nattokinase. It is derived from natto, a fermented soy product eaten in Japan.
Various kind of retinal and vitreous hemorrhages are much studied, and are common in diabetes mellitis.
I do not know the detailed history of Steve Kirsch's hemorrhage, nor the cause(s).
Peter McCullough has spike detox protocols, yes.
Pierre Kory MD and his group have done a lot of work with Long COVID & Long-Post-Vaccine Syndrome patients, which seem to be the same group, plagued by spike protein autoantibodies and various immune suppression effects, often with a lot of clotting problems.
My experience is more limited than theirs, since I did not treat very many patients after being fired for vaccine-refusal in October 2021.
Thank You. I downloaded and read over " Effective management of atherosclerosis progress and hyperlipidemia with nattokinase: A clinical study with 1,062 participants"
Looks like a good indication of safety and effectiveness with the tested dose of 10,800 FU nattokinase (plus for some aspirin and K2) daily in their Chinese study population that, note, also experienced perhaps 1/300th of the damage from the sars-cov2 spike protein that the equivalent population in the US suffered and none of the damage from the US covid vaccine "spike " antigen.
I can appreciate the concerns about taking nattokinase for spike detox a person would have if they were a diabetic with weakened eye vessels, who both took covid vaccines and who had covid and, as an anti N95 masker, probably a number of reinfections each adding some spike load.
I noted this: "In smokers and alcohol-drinking participants, we found that hyperlipidemic conditions and atherosclerotic conditions were generally worse compared to nonsmokers and participants who drank less. We also found that the effects of NK on lipid lowering and antiatherosclerotic action were slightly stronger"
and this: We found that NK at 3,600 FU dose was not effective in lowering lipids and suppressing atherosclerosis. Lipid levels and CCA-IMT and plaque size did not change after 12 months of NK consumption at that dose.
So a lower dose looks to stop progression "Lipid levels and CCA-IMT and plaque size did not change after 12 months of NK consumption at that dose."
Which leads to the East and the wisdom inherent in the regular consumption, over a lifetime, of say 50 gram portions of natto (prepared in some manner and or eaten in some manner so as to be able to be eaten) containing both K2-MK7 and ~1,400 to 2,000 FU nattokinase within a diet containing far less highly processed "food"
"fired for vaccine-refusal in October 2021." - shows - The pure evil, there and waiting to act, through many in authority near to each of our lives.
There are various theories about why Okinawans eating a traditional diet live long and healthy lives. Natto and purple yams are amongst them.
To me, this study demonstrated dosing safety of something that chews up spike protein, and an important dose-effect in a different disease process, so it suggested grounds for trying a higher-than-usual dose of nattokinase for Long-COVID/Long-Post-Vaccine Syndrome. It and appropriately high dose vitamin-D with lab monitoring greatly helped a patient of mine who had almost died of pulmonary embolism after COVID and 3 subsequent mRNA "vaccine" injections. I was happy to be able to take part in her return to life.
She got off a lot of other meds and quit seeing a couple of specialists in the process.
That practice, where I worked some for several years got sold twice, so I and 2 of 3 Nurse Practitioners are no longer there....
Is it "evil" that our owners need to cull us again? We are their herds to manage, are we not? Do we have another ecosystem management format to replace the apex-predator model, where we have become grazing herds and they have become our predators?
I seek and endeavor to follow Divine Guidance, which is what I can do.
"fired for vaccine-refusal in October 2021." - shows - The pure evil, there and waiting to act, through many in authority near to each of our lives.
Thanks for the info. I'm on low dose aspirin so unwise to take nattokinase because the possibility of internal bleeding. Thanks anyway
You might review this paper with your physician:
Effective management of atherosclerosis progress and hyperlipidemia with nattokinase: A clinical study with 1,062 participants
Nattokinase (NK), known as a potent fibrinolytic and antithrombotic agent, has been shown to have antiatherosclerotic and lipid-lowering effects. However, data on human clinical studies are limited. In this clinical study involving 1,062 participants, our objective was to examine the efficacy of NK in atherosclerosis and hyperlipidemia and safety at the dose of 10,800 FU/day after 12 months of oral administration. Various factors, including lower doses that influence NK pharmacological actions, were also investigated.
We found that NK at a dose of 10,800 FU/day effectively managed the progression of atherosclerosis and hyperlipidemia with a significant improvement in the lipid profile. A significant reduction in the thickness of the carotid artery intima-media and the size of the carotid plaque was observed. The improvement rates ranged from 66.5 to 95.4%. NK was found to be ineffective in lowering lipids and suppressing atherosclerosis progression at a dose of 3,600 FU/day. The lipid-lowering effect of NK was more prominent in subjects who smoked, drank alcohol, and subjects with higher BMI. Regular exercise further improved the effects of NK. Co-administration of vitamin K2 and aspirin with NK produced a synergetic effect. No noticeable adverse effects associated with the use of NK were recorded.
In conclusion, our data demonstrate that atherosclerosis progression and hyperlipidemia can be effectively managed with NK at a dose of 10,800 FU/day. The lower dose of 3,600 FU per day is ineffective. The dose of 10,800 FU/day is safe and well tolerated. Some lifestyle factors and the coadministration of vitamin K2 and aspirin lead to improved outcomes in the use of NK.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcvm.2022.964977/full
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Your intuition is entirely spot-on, and Microsoft Copilot's summary is highly accurate according to peer-reviewed nutritional and biochemical literature.
The idea that whole natto is a "zero-sum game" because it contains both a clotting agent and an anti-clotting agent is a classic reductionist logic error. When we look at the actual peer-reviewed science, the two compounds do not simply fight each other to a standstill; instead, they operate via completely independent physiological mechanisms, target different tissues, and operate on vastly different timelines.
Here is the peer-reviewed breakdown of how these two agents behave within the body.
1. Nattokinase: The Direct, Rapid Anti-Clotting Agent
Nattokinase is a purified extracellular enzyme (a serine protease) produced by Bacillus subtilis var. natto.
Mechanism: It does not rely on the liver or complex signaling cascades. It works via direct fibrinolysis. It actively breaks down fibrin (the mesh that holds blood clots together) and cleaves plasminogen activator inhibitor 1 (PAI-1), which naturally boosts the body’s own clot-dissolving systems.
Timescale: It acts rapidly. Pharmacokinetic studies show that when nattokinase is absorbed into the bloodstream, its fibrinolytic activity peaks within 2 to 4 hours post-ingestion.
2. Vitamin K2 (MK-7): The Long-Term Homeostatic Agent
Natto is the richest known dietary source of Vitamin K2, specifically the long-chain menaquinone-7 (MK-7) isomer.
Mechanism: Vitamin K does not "create clots" on contact. Instead, it serves as an essential enzymatic cofactor in the liver for the gamma-carboxylation of specific proteins. This includes pro-coagulant factors (like Factors II, VII, IX, and X) which are necessary to ensure your blood can clot when you are injured so you don't bleed to death.
The Tissue Divergence: Crucially, peer-reviewed data highlights that MK-7 doesn't just hang around the liver to make clotting factors. Because of its long side-chain, it is easily redistributed to extrahepatic tissues like the bones and vasculature, where it activates Osteocalcin (to bind calcium to bones) and Matrix Gla Protein (MGP) (which actively prevents the calcification of arteries).
Timescale: Unlike the rapid, acute clearance of nattokinase, MK-7 has a remarkably long half-life in the human body (roughly 50 to 72 hours), slowly accumulating in the system over days to optimize calcium distribution and baseline clotting integrity.
Why the Whole Food Isn't a "Logic Error"
The human body relies on hemostasis—a finely tuned balance between being fluid enough to flow freely through capillaries, but ready enough to solidifying instantly to seal a wound.
No Direct Molecular Clash: Nattokinase is an active enzyme clearing away inappropriate, stagnant intravascular fibrin meshes. Vitamin K2 is a structural nutrient optimizing the liver's readiness to clot and keeping your arteries from hardening. They are not competing for the same receptors.
The Clinical Proof: Human clinical trials evaluating the consumption of whole natto food consistently demonstrate favorable cardiovascular outcomes (such as reduced blood pressure and improved lipid profiles) without triggering spontaneous internal bleeding or, conversely, causing random ischemic strokes. The body integrates both signals perfectly.
When the Supplement Industry's Extraction Makes Sense
The only time the "whole food paradox" becomes a clinical liability is in patients taking Warfarin (Coumadin).
Warfarin is a direct Vitamin K antagonist; it works by forcing a state of Vitamin K deficiency to keep the blood thin. Because whole natto delivers such a massive, bioavailable dose of MK-7, eating it can completely overwhelm and neutralize Warfarin therapy, spiking a patient's stroke risk.
For this reason, peer-reviewed medical literature strongly cautions Warfarin patients against eating whole natto. To circumvent this, manufacturers developed Vitamin K-free nattokinase supplements. This allows patients on specific pharmaceutical anticoagulants to benefit from the fibrinolytic action of the enzyme without dangerously disrupting their medication.
Summary
If you are a healthy individual, choosing a supplement solely because you fear the Vitamin K2 in whole natto will "cancel out" the nattokinase is a genuine logic error. Whole natto represents a masterclass in dietary synergy. However, if an individual is on prescription Vitamin K-antagonist blood thinners, that "logic error" transitions into a vital medical workaround.
The warfarin/vit. K issue should be resolved through testing (INR), and dosing the medication accordingly. From years ago, I understand that steady, high intake of vit. K (read: leafy vegetables) combined with an appropriate dosage of warfarin ought to result in greater stability of the anticoagulation process. It is also worth noticing that vit. K is crucial in fighting cancer, and suppressing and/or eliminating it completely may have dire consequences.
I plan to try this out on an internist this month. I am viewed as a bit of an heretic but may still get a rise.
If you haven’t already please read Dr. Yoho’s substack on aspirin and how we have been lied to about the safety of it. It has been shown to be synergistic with fenben in treating cancer if you look at 2nd Smartest Guys stack. Also, I take aspirin, NAC and natto… haven’t bled out yet. Not that I am recommending anything but is good to know other info. Aspirin is way safer than ibuprofen or Tylenol.
Many thanks I will check it out
Sunlight. Stretching. Magnesium. Intermittent IVM/fenben. Keto and/or low carb diet. And prayer.
So we know what is happening but HOW do we fix it? I just keep playing whack a mole and I’m so tired.
Have you checked out Dr. Yoho’s substack? He self treats and offers so many natural remedies. DMSO and MMS are just a few. As well as 2nd smartest guys stack. I personally did 30days of IVM & fenben with zero side effects. Maybe repeat quarterly? I think it’s also whack a mole b/c the poisons are coming at us at from all angles. NAC has helped me with allergies for 3yrs and now they must be spraying something different in the air b/c they are back. Shedding is a factor as well. Wtf knows. Just keep whacking!
I hear you. It’s incredibly frustrating! I can eat garbage one day and feel fine then eat “clean” and feel awful. There’s no rhyme or reason to any of this. Which is why I suspect parasites. I will say prayer has helped my attitude.
try drinking only water for 5 days.
book the week off and drink water in and poop water out.
day 5 you will shed a one cell layer from your intestine.
I fasted 10 days but it was too long. I ate too much of self, and it took 2 years for digestion to get back.
5 days is what you want to do.
aside from a clean out, you will autophage limping cells, and your immune system will forget some vaccine autoimmunity lessons.
if you try it and come back feeling better the group would be interested i bet.
Short course of steroids?
So sadly I got 3 of those mRNA deals. I now have POTS, anemia (like all the counts are low, but not cancer), I’m freezing fucking cold all the time even when it’s 70 out, and I’ve had every heart test you can think of and they tell me nothing is wrong. Also apparently my anemia is a copper deficiency which I find real hard to believe. Dunno if it’s all related or not, but thought I’d share.
You may want to check out The Root Cause Protocol. It may explain the iron/copper connection for you.
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I tested my spike antibodies
Quest: “>2,500”
Labcorp: 14,000
Quest caps results at 2,500, so per Mary Bowden, MD, I went to Labcorp for the no-prescription needed spike antibody analysis.
https://www.ondemand.labcorp.com/lab-tests/covid-19-antibody-test
cripes
Fascinating and very clearly explain thank you …and love your dolphin!
At this point, I believe the spikes are micronized (genetically engineered) parasites, and that there never was any 'virus' hidden inside of them. The real bioweapons here are, and always were, these spikes-parasites. The vaccines were engineered to introduce these "special" new parasites, while simultaneously overcoming our own defenses to them, and thereby allowing endless replication within our bodies. The mRNA was intended to assure they could set up their own replication plants within our cells. At a minimum, these GMO-ed new lifeforms depend upon parasite DNA in order to replicate.
And the fact the FDA & CDC fought tooth and nail to stop us using ANYTHING that specifically kills parasites, (HCQ, Ivermectin, etc.) says it all. They KNEW this would interfere with their DEADLY agenda for us. It tells me they wanted to make SURE we didn't stop the replication, because this IS what happens with the use of anti-parasite substances. Fortunately, many people regularly eat foods which are inherently anti-parasitic, even some common spices, herbs, or even just citrus bitters, kill parasites. If not for these "accidental" remedies, they would've injured and killed many more (and much faster) than they did manage. It all makes PERFECT sense when you understand their actual GOAL was to injure and kill as many of us as they could.
I still can't fathom how a "synthetic spike protein" in the covid shots could lessen, or eliminate the effects from a so-called viral spike protein.
I know, right?
Venous insufficiency. Very difficult to diagnose. And treat. I read somewhere that the Japanese put venous stents in elderly patients to combat dementia… maybe we all need them too.
Thank you for this clear and helpful explication. We are all in your debt and have been for years.
Jeppers. I have been saying for years that the one thing the study '185350' quoted by the EMA public assessment report, did not investigate, were the effects on one tissue: the endothelial lining of the entire vascular system. Which I found fucking amazing, from the moment the public was told: the spike binds to ACE-2. And in real world terms: if there is anyone out there that has access to that data, check for the amount of blood pressure medication being prescribed from 2020 to today. I would bet money that there is a rise post vaccination.
My sister had to take two of the jabs to see her husband in the memory care facility. She’s never had high BP and after those shots requires two different meds to keep it down. The doctors attributed it to “stress”, and that’s convenient enough for her. He’s been dead now two years and she’s in a happy new stress free relationship. But her BP still requires those two meds 🧐
🎯🎯🎯.. thanks Dr. Rose . Love the dolphin, keep surfing! …. 🏄🏽♂️. IMO .. nefarious intent.
You’re the leader of the pack Jessica. Your observations and analysis leave me breathless. Love the dolphin sculpture.
Well thank you!
Thank you very much for your work.
Pity the monsters that make and regulate the stuff have kept it all secret, for their own gain [=Fraud=vitiation of all contracts=zero jurisdiction to impose such stuff on the people ever again]].
Amazing summary, and love the dolphin. Thank you for your many polymath powers Jessica!
Brilliant research as usual but what good is any research if it's selectively ignored?
The good news is that the snowballing truths are cornering Them...which probably will result in nothing except maybe being thrown a few bones for the public to suck on, while the Pathology Pandemic snowballs and people die off younger and younger.
https://badprotein.substack.com/p/gene-therapy-for-runny-noses